Transferring Trendwest Credits
I cam across this eBay auction, which is another offer for sale of credits.
They owners are willing to sell for $2,700 less than their purchase price, representing a cost of $900/year since purchase, plus maintenance of $386/year -- that means they've paid around $1,300/year for their holiday credits. This is about normal, since a week of holiday would cost that much normally (around $200/night).
Using a cost base of $11,400 in 2002 and a loss in "value" of $900/year suggests a membership value of $11,400 divided by $900 = 12 years.
So, while the Trendwest offer may state that it is for a renewable 80-year period, the true value of your investment is only 12 years. After that, don't expect to be able to extract much further resale value from the investment.
Is it worth it? That's what you need to decide before purchasing into the unit trust.
We purchased the 6,000 holiday credits for $11,400 (that equals $1.90 per credit) in early 2002, and I am prepared to sell these for a starting price of $8,700. Just think $8,700 to pay for a lifetime of holidays it pays for itself in a few short years.The transfer process as described in the Disclosure Statement has several conditions:
This offer also comes with current annual membership to Interval International which offers additional reduced holiday options around the world. You can choose not to renew this membership if you wish.
The transfer process involves signing contracts by both the seller and purchases in the presence of a Justice of the Peace, and the process takes around 2 weeks to complete and costs $200.00 which I will cover myself.
- A fee of $200, which may change in future
- The credits must be "fully paid" before transfer
- The recipient must agree to all conditions as per the original holder
- Trendwest has the right to refuse transfers
There is a limited market for the resale f issued Holiday Credits. Owners should generally not expect to recover the amount they originally paid for their Holiday Credits nor should they expect that over time the resale price will remain stable or increase relative to the price they originally paid.This can be seen by the fact that the eBay auction mentioned above has credits originally purchased for $1.90 in 2002 and they are willing to sell for $1.45 in 2005 -- and don't forget that new units are now $2.08/unit when purchased from Trendwest.
They owners are willing to sell for $2,700 less than their purchase price, representing a cost of $900/year since purchase, plus maintenance of $386/year -- that means they've paid around $1,300/year for their holiday credits. This is about normal, since a week of holiday would cost that much normally (around $200/night).
Using a cost base of $11,400 in 2002 and a loss in "value" of $900/year suggests a membership value of $11,400 divided by $900 = 12 years.
So, while the Trendwest offer may state that it is for a renewable 80-year period, the true value of your investment is only 12 years. After that, don't expect to be able to extract much further resale value from the investment.
Is it worth it? That's what you need to decide before purchasing into the unit trust.
8 Comments:
What are you talking about??? The longer you own it the more it is worth in both fun and profit. Mind you
I paid $1 per credit buying 3 contracts a yera ago and merged into a 20,000 membership. I LOVE Wordmark which in not the same thing as Trendwest.
If people want to bitch because they never checked the resale market before buying aim it at Trendwest not Worldmark.
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So, while the Trendwest offer may state that it is for a renewable 80-year period, the true value of your investment is only 12 years. After that, don't expect to be able to extract much further resale value from the investment.
By Anonymous, at Friday, 25 March, 2005
Hi Jim K,
Thanks for your comments, I do value your input!
My reasoning for suggesting that the investment is only for 12 years is that value drops over time. The properties get a little old, our interests in holidays change and other options present themselves.
If somebody is trying to justify their full-priced purchase based on an 80-year term, they are deluding themselves. Let's say somebody in the mid-30s buys it. They holiday thorugh to their 60s or 70s. So, you're looking 40 years at the most. Yes, they can will/transfer it, but there are always annual levies.
All I can say is that you were very smart buying for $1/unit and for being fully informed of the process. Where they WorldMark South Pacific credits?
-- Fabbo.
By Fabbo, at Friday, 25 March, 2005
I bought into Worldmark South Pacific and now own a part value in all resorts in the group forever.
The debt free properties in trust are fully owned by Worldmark members. They increase in value each year and are well maintained by the levy.
At the end of 80 years members (probably our kids or grand-kids) will vote with all other members to re-new the club trust or sell off the properties for a BIG PROFIT.
Even those who paid full Trendwest price will make a profit someday. I'll just do it sooner for not paying as much to start with. Also don't forget about why we all joined... GREAT HOLIDAYS.
Thanks Worldmark!!!
By Anonymous, at Saturday, 26 March, 2005
Hey Fabbo,
I just noticed the reason you started this blog was to buy credits cheap (well under $1/unit)so you must think Worldmark is a good investment like me.
I doubt you will find anythig under $1 but good luck anyway.
By Anonymous, at Saturday, 26 March, 2005
Hi Norman, thanks for dropping by!
What I was suggesting by my post (and everybody is welcome to chime in with their comments) is that the market values WorldMark less than the value sold by Trendwest. Based upon the "loss" rates being experienced, the market may not value it much after 12 years.
Of course, this is much like selling a used car -- most value actually drops the moment you drive out of the showroom. However, it's important to realise that individuals may not value WorldMark ownership equally throughout its lifetime and they should expect a value of less than 80 years to obtain a "return" on their holiday investment.
I could sell somebody a computer today, saying it'll last 80 years if they pay their yearly maintenance. However, I doubt they'd want to use it beyond 5 years. Same thing with these properties and people's holiday lifestyles.
Caveat emptor!
-- Fabbo
By Fabbo, at Wednesday, 30 March, 2005
Fabbo & Jim, I'm not so sure either of you are correct with your logic...
Jim, you are correct that all properties are owned in a trust but obviosly there is no limit to owners, meaning that TrendWest can continue to sell 'memberships' for $20,000 each as long as there is at least some availability. What happens when the stop developing properties and they continue to sell memberships, and those memberships don't expire for 80 years? Logically there will be no availability for members leaving you with nothing at all except maintenance fees that go to paying for others to use the properties.
However, I do like the concept of buying multiple memberships at 1/2 or 1/3 the original price and converting them to 1 membership with only 1 maintenance fee. By doing that you could potentially stay for 1 month or more at a resort for the maintainance fee ($575/yr) + original cost (minimum $18,000 +/-). So, if you went on roughly a month's worth of holiday every year for 18 years it would cost $1,575/yr for a resort that would cost at least $100+ per night equaling a $3,000+/yr value. Right? Well, kind of... This is all assuming that the maintenance fee won't go up (which it will) and also that there will still be avaialability at the places you want to stay. It is very unlikely that you will be able to book an entire month span so you would have to break it up into different destinations which ultimately costs more in traveling expenses. Not to mention the product will no doubt depreciate over time, which is already proven by the consistently decreasing value of points.
Now on to Fabbo. If you offered to sell me a computer today and said that as long as I paid a maintenance fee you would make sure it worked and 'upgrade' it, I would be more than willing to buy. Assuming that meant I was going to have the latest and greatest all the time, which is what I think TrendWest is trying to do. They plan on continuing to build more resorts which means that availability should stay in check and that the trust will continue to hold & gain value. I understand that future resorts aren't guaranteed but they can't be counted as valueless either because we just don't know for sure.
As far as lifestyles go, TrendWest is the most flexible of any of the timeshares and I think you have made a huge assumption when saying that 'I doubt they'd want to use it beyond 5 years.' I can safely say that I consistently holiday at least 2-3 weeks per year and have done for over 5 years and plan on continuing indefinitely.
So, it makes sense to me that the 'investment' could yeild very good returns over a term of say 20 years (in Jim's scenario), but over a term of 40 years it begins to lose value because there are no guarantees of future developments and very real guarantees of raising maintenance fees.
Actually, the most beneficial scenario I can see is getting a group together that is willing to buy multiple memberships and merge them into one, or have existing members merge into 1 account and then set up a legal partnership outside of the trendwest agreements that protects all parties and requires all to contribute to the maintenance. Then all parties can keep the same amount of points but only pay 1 collective maintenance fee. Effectively cutting each party's maintenance cost by 2/3. What do you think?
By Anonymous, at Wednesday, 13 April, 2005
Interesting idea, but the Annual Levies don't have an upper limit. They're basically $386 per 2500 units.
Pooling would probably work well when some people don't holiday at times, and they can share the points amongst themselves. But you could always transfer them through Trendwest instead. With such a large investment at stake, I'd avoid any handshake agreements.
Thanks for your input!
By Fabbo, at Thursday, 14 April, 2005
I bought my membership secondhand 5 years ago and have not used it for a holiday once.
Each year I post my credits for rent at the price of the maintenance fee plus 1050 dollars. It is generally rented within three weeks and I only pay forty eight dollars for the rental listing....I love Worldmark!!!
By Pete Fisher, at Thursday, 08 October, 2009
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